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Questlove And The Roots: How A Hip-Hop Band Conquered Late Night
Originally published on Sun July 6, 2014 10:47 pm
The not-so-secret weapon on The Tonight Show is The Roots, a band whose success on the NBC program was so swift it even surprised a few people at NBC. The group's drummer and leader, Ahmir "Questlove" Thompson, says music is a crucial part of The Tonight Show, and he spent some time showing NPR TV critic Eric Deggans exactly why.
For the first time, a hip-hop group is the house band for the most influential TV show in late night.
And you can chalk up much of The Roots' success to the relaxed perfectionism of the band's leader, Questlove.
When I first meet him, he is lounging on a couch in a mixing room, deep inside The Tonight Show's Rockefeller Center studios. Casually dressed in black jeans and black hoodie emblazoned with the words "legendary Roots crew," Questlove is listening to a recording of the band rehearsing its new single, "Never."
The Roots will play the song before the show's cameras later that day; he's huddling with the program's engineer to show him how the band should sound. His ears seem to catch everything, including the thin tone of a wood block.
It's like watching Rembrandt splash paint on a canvas.
"If you do this now, it's not a big deal tonight, after we perform it," he explains. Later he dishes on how one unnamed celebrity musical guest tweaked the mix of a performance right up until the show had to broadcast the footage.
Not so for Questlove, who looks comfortable and in command hours before taping. It's obvious such detail-oriented artistry has paid off well for Questlove and The Roots.
The Roots are the last band you might expect to take over a late night TV institution. They came together in the late 1980s and quickly emerged as critic's favorites. But some in hip-hop saw them as quirky outsiders, at least at first, for their musicianship and brainy creativity.
Five years ago, when Fallon started hosting NBC's Late Night, he picked The Roots as his house band.
But the network suits weren't so sure.
"The feelings at NBC were sorta like, 'Well, we know they're a good rap group but, what if we have [country artist] Tom T. Hall on the show? Do they have range?' " Questlove says.
At first, he says, NBC suggested a 13-week probation cycle, where they would meet to discuss the band's performance. It was a way to quietly let the group go if things didn't go well.
"And they were, like, throwing crazy stuff at us ... they'd come and be like, 'You guys got three minutes to come up with an Andrew Lloyd Webber reference.' ... That's how the game 'Freestylin' with the Roots' was invented," Questlove says, referencing their version of a bit Johnny Carson once did with his Tonight Show musicians called "Stump the Band." "Once we did it, then they threw that [out, saying], 'You guys are ours forever. Forget that 13-week meeting thing.' "
Smart move. Because it turns out The Roots have an unexpected talent for creating great moments on camera that become viral videos.
And when Fallon moved up from Late Night to take over The Tonight Show in February, music remained at the center of the action.
"For starters, Jimmy is a musician ... he's a legitimate singer and guitarist," Questlove says. "This show is really a variety show disguised as a talk show."
As we're hanging out in the band's tiny rehearsal studio, one of the show's writers stops by to ask for some on-the-spot creativity. In a couple of days, Will Ferrell will be a guest of the show. So will his look-alike: Chad Smith, drummer for the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
They want to have a drum battle. But Ferrell doesn't really play drums.
So the writer has a simple request: Could Questlove work up a simple drum solo Ferrell can pretend to play on camera?
First, Questlove looks up a few drum solos on YouTube for inspiration. He sifts through clips of virtuoso solos — way too complicated for Ferrell to attempt — and even looks at a bit of his duet with Portlandia star and Saturday Night Live alum Fred Armisen, who actually plays drums.
Then Questlove sits behind a small kit in a cramped room packed with posters, DVDs, memorabilia and even a stray Grammy award. He reaches behind his back, pulls out a snare drum from among a half-dozen sitting on the floor behind him, and tries out ideas.
The result, which finally airs on The Tonight Show two days later, makes Will Ferrell sound like Buddy Rich.
"It's strange to admit it, but this is kinda the job we were born for," Questlove says, noting that some tastemakers didn't really get it when the band announced the TV gig.
"Once [the website] Gawker said 'The Roots in this position is like watching Miles Davis busk for change in the New York subway system,' " he adds, smiling a little. "We wanted to be underestimated so that [we] could overexceed expectations."
Mission accomplished. In fact, the success of Questlove and The Roots on The Tonight Show seems a particular tale of triumph.
The quirkiest band in hip-hop kept its cool and conquered the biggest institution in late-night TV.
ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:
Jimmy Fallon has a not-so-secret weapon on "The Tonight Show" - the band The Roots. Drummer and band leader Ahmir Questlove Thompson says music is a crucial part of the program. NPR TV critic Eric Deggans paid a visit to the show to see how that plays out.
ERIC DEGGANS, BYLINE: For the first time, a hip-hop group is the house band for the most influential TV show in late-night.
(SOUNDBITE OF TV SHOW, "THE TONIGHT SHOW")
UNIDENTIFIED ANNOUNCER: From Studio 60 in Rockefeller Center at the heart of New York City, it's "The Tonight Show," starring Jimmy Fallon.
THE ROOTS: (Singing) Hey, hey, hey, hey.
DEGGANS: And you can chalk up much of The Roots success to the relaxed perfectionism of the band's leader, Questlove. When I first meet him, he's in a mixing room with the sound engineer at "The Tonight Show's" Rockefeller Center Studios.
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "NEVER")
ROOTS: (Singing) Close your eyes...
DEGGANS: This is like watching Rembrandt splash paint on a canvas.
AHMIR QUESTLOVE THOMPSON: I'm listening to the mix 'cause we're the musical guest tonight.
DEGGANS: He's listening to a recording of the band rehearsing its new single, "Never."
THOMPSON: If you do this now, then it's not a big deal tonight, after we perform it.
DEGGANS: The show's engineer is learning the band's sound before they play on camera that evening. And Questlove catches everything, including the thin tone of a woodblock.
THOMPSON: Yeah. I don't mean louder, but is there, like, a thicker texture?
DEGGANS: This detail-oriented artistry has played off well for Questlove and The Roots.
THOMPSON: Yeah, that sort of...
DEGGANS: The Roots are the last band you might expect to take over a late-night TV institution. They came together in the late 1980s, and quickly emerged as critics' favorites. But some hip-hop fans saw them as quirky outsiders for their musicianship and brainy creativity. Five years ago, when Fallon started hosting NBC's "Late Night," he specifically picked The Roots for his house band. But the network's suits weren't so sure.
THOMPSON: Feelings at NBC were sort of like, OK, we know that they're a good rap group. But what if we have Tom T. Hall on the show? Do they have range?
DEGGANS: Can they play country or classical? NBC's solution - a 13 week probation so they could quietly fire them if it didn't work out.
THOMPSON: And they were, like, throwing crazy stuff at us. They'd come in and be like, you guys got three minutes to come up with an Andrew Lloyd Webber reference for da da da da da da - three minutes. And that's how the game Free Styling with The Roots was invented.
DEGGANS: Free Styling with The Roots is their version of Johnny Carson's old Stump the Band contest.
THOMPSON: And once we did it, then they threw that - they were like, oh, no. You guys are ours forever. Like, you know, forget that 13-week meeting thing.
DEGGANS: That test also revealed The Roots' unexpected talent for creating viral videos. They reinvented a sexy, controversial hit with kiddy instruments.
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "BLURRED LINES")
ROOTS: (Singing) Hey, hey, hey. And that's why I'm going to take a good girl.
DEGGANS: And slow-jammed the news, even with the leader of the free world.
(SOUNDBITE OF TV SHOW, "THE TONIGHT SHOW")
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Jimmy, POTUS stands for President Of The United States.
THE ROOT: (Singing) He's the POTUS with the most-us.
DEGGANS: And when Jimmy Fallon moved up from "Late Night" to take over "The Tonight Show" in February, music stayed at the center of the action.
THOMPSON: Because for starters, Jimmy is a musician. He's a legitimate singer and guitarist. This show is really a variety show disguised as a talk show.
DEGGANS: As we're hanging out in the band's tiny rehearsal studio, one of the show's writers stops by to ask for some on-the-spot creativity. In a couple of days, Will Ferrell will be a guest of the show, and so will his look-alike, Chad Smith, drummer for the Red Hot Chili Peppers. They want to have a drum battle, but Ferrell doesn't really play drums.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Yeah. Chad's going to be drumming himself, for sure. Will is going to be miming drums to you.
MAN: So what I was going to is if we could make, like...
THOMPSON: A dummy track for him to practice to?
DEGGANS: Questlove is going to work up a simple drum solo Will Ferrell can pretend to play on camera. First he looks up a few drum solos on YouTube for inspiration.
(SOUNDBITE OF DRUM BEAT)
THOMPSON: I want something that looks convincing.
DEGGANS: Then he sits behind small drum kit and tries out ideas.
DEGGANS: On the show, Questlove makes Will Ferrell sound like Buddy Rich.
(SOUNDBITE OF TV SHOW, "THE TONIGHT SHOW")
WILL FERRELL: (Playing Drums). I just blew my mind.
THOMPSON: It's strange to admit it, but this is kind of the job that we were born for.
DEGGANS: People who have admired the band's cool, creative artistry did not always agree.
THOMPSON: Once gawkers said, The Roots in this position is like watching Miles Davis busk for change in the New York subway system. We wanted to be underestimated so that you could over-exceed expectations.
DEGGANS: The success of Questlove and The Roots on "The Tonight Show" is a tale of triumph. The quirkiest band in hip-hop kept its cool and conquered the biggest institution in late-night TV. I'm Eric Deggans.
(SOUNDBITE OF THE ROOTS SONG)
ROOTS: (Singing) I'm going with the wind and I'm going for the ride. Wish I could rest and open my eyes. But time ain't fit to fly down from the sky. The place where the lonely love - not another soul, there's only us.
MELISSA BLOCK, HOST:
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